More Good Concealed-Carry News.

Ben Swenson dropped me an email:

I thought you might be interested in commenting on some recent gun law changes in Indiana.

HB 1028 and HB 1176 were signed by Governor Mitch Daniels Tuesday giving Indiana lifetime handgun carry licenses as well as clarification of the protection from prosecution or civil suit provided for someone involved in a good defensive shooting. HB1176 is a little like an expanded Castle Doctrine – a very good law.

Daniels was quoted as saying:

For those of us who believe the 2nd Amendment means exactly what it says … this is exactly the kind of step we need to take.

There was some consternation regarding HB 1028 as it has provisions to send 4473’s to the Indiana State Police, but that simply replaces another form that did essentially the same thing, so it’s not really a loss.

Well, Ben, I would comment, but you already have, and since you’re on the ground there I bow to your local expertise. Rock on, Indiana!

Range Report

As I mentioned a couple of weeks ago, I jumped the gun a bit and bought my BAG day purchase a month early – a Winchester 94 chambered in .45 Colt. I didn’t get a chance to shoot it the Sunday after I bought it, and I ended up working all weekend the following week, so I took a vacation day today. My wife and I just got back from the range.

Now, I don’t get to the range anywhere near as often as I’d like, and my wife only wants to go two or three times a year, tops. But this time she wanted to go since it had been (in her words) too long since she’d shot anything. It being a Friday, I figured we’d have the Tucson Rifle Club’s pistol silhouette range all to ourselves.

When I was a match director for the TRC’s pistol silhouette matches, I had keys to everything and could set up the 25-yard silhouette chickens for her. She really enjoyed knocking those down with my Contender. Once I introduced her to my Aimpoint-equipped Ruger Mark II Target, she was hooked. Well, I don’t have those keys anymore so I can’t stand the targets up, but when I was in Sportsman’s Warehouse picking up a couple of boxes of .45 Colt loads (reloading bench is still in the garage), I found this:

I figured she’d have as much fun shooting that as the chickens, and I wouldn’t have to go stand the targets back up. I also picked up a box of 525 rounds of Federal .22’s.

So, off to the range we went. Today’s arsenal consisted of the aforementioned Mk II Target, my brand-spanking new Winchester 94, my S&W M25 Mountain Gun, my Kimber Classic Stainless 1911, my 3″ S&W M60 .357, my Single-six, her father’s 2″ M60 .38, and at least a hundred rounds each for everything.

First off, the Winchester is more accurate than my eyes are. Off the bench, at 100 yards I was able to shoot about a 3″ group – which is literally better than I’m able to see (and quite possibly a fluke). I was able to knock down the 50 yard chickens and the 100 yard pigs with ease, but the rear sight won’t elevate enough to go much beyond that – at least not shooting Cowboy Action (read: “slow”) loads. When I get back to reloading, however… The rifle was absolutely flawless in action. No failures of any kind, though in the interests of full disclosure I only fully loaded the magazine (12 rounds) once. It’s quick and light – even with the 24″ barrel – and fits me perfectly. I just need better sights. Or better eyes.

My wife got in about 75 rounds of practice with the .38 and did pretty well. She has a flinch, and knows it, so one of the things she worked on was that. By loading only two or three of the five chambers, she never was certain whether the next round would be a live one or an empty, so it forces her to concentrate on the trigger and sight picture, and ignore the upcoming “BANG!” Her groups were nothing to write home about, but any mutant entering our home and confronting her would not be leaving vertically.

After a break, I set up the Birchwood Casey target and checked the sight setting on the Mk II. It was zeroed for that Federal ammo at the range I put up the swinger (about 15 yards).

A couple of hours later, she’d gone through about two-thirds of that 525 rounds! There was .22 brass all over the place, and she’d enjoyed herself thoroughly. That little swinger stand is kind of addicting. I ran through five or six magazines myself, plus a few cylinder-fulls from the Single-six.

Damn, I’m glad I took the day off! And I’m supposed to meet up with fellow-blogger Engineer Poet during his Tucson stopover, and take him shooting on Sunday. Twice in one weekend! What a deal!

Edited to add: I forgot to mention that when we got home my order of 500 Mt. Baldy .45 calibler (calibler?) caliber 270 grain “SAA” cast bullets was waiting for me on the front porch! Now I HAVE to get the loading bench set up!

Time to Modify That Map Again!.

Kansas has joined the “Shall-issue” concealed-carry team. Both houses of the state legislature overturned Governor Kathleen Sebelius’ veto. That makes Kansas the 37th “Shall-issue” state (Vermont has no restriction on concealed-carry. Alaska is “shall-issue,” if you want a permit for reciprocity with other states. Otherwise, you can carry concealed in Alaska without a permit.) Eight other states are “may-issue” (which generally means “only if you’re well-connected”.)

Note that the argument was the same-old, same-old:

A microcosm of the debate played out between Clark Zeit, of Olathe, and his mother, Carolyn Zeit, of Prairie Village, when they were asked about what the Legislature did.

“They say it will make it more difficult for police to do their job. But I think there are enough safeguards,” the son said.

The mother said: “I’m totally against it. I think too many people will have guns and you won’t be safe anywhere.”

The Kansas Sheriffs’ Association remained neutral because its members were divided. But its president, Stafford County Sheriff Jeff Parr, said such a law bothers him.

“I feel that with more people able to conceal weapons we’re going to have problems with guns,” he said. “Instead of getting into a fist fight, if they have a gun, they are going to pull a gun instead of fighting.”

Although that hasn’t been the case in ANY state that has passed “shall-issue.” And, as I pointed out – in detail – before “more guns” DOES NOT equal “more crime.” What concealed-carry does is allow people to protect themselves and others:

Democrat, Rep. L. Candy Ruff, of Leavenworth, was the bill’s chief champion.

“People now have the right to defend themselves if they want to,” said Ruff, adding she doesn’t plan to get a concealed gun permit.

“I’ve never had a desire to carry a concealed gun,” she said. “I pushed it because two rape victims in my district asked me to.”

That’s called “serving your constituents.”

But, of course, there’s always the “YOU’LL PUT YOUR EYE OUT!” crowd:

“My concern is people thinking they are safe because they are packing a gun,” said Yonally, R-Overland Park. “It’s only going to become a weapon that can be used against them.”

(*SIGH*) Anyway, here’s the map, updated just yesterday!

And perhaps later, Nebraska!

THIS is Why Tam is on My Blogroll!.

Beside the fact that she’s a great gunblogger, she has a wicked sense of humor!

Edited to add:

She’s a damned good writer, too.

Why is it that when some bright spark in the marketing department at Apple, Cannondale, or Pontiac notices that slightly more than 50% of the planet’s population is setters rather than pointers, it gets two column inches on page 24 of the WSJ, but when their counterpart at Remington or Smith & Wesson does likewise, it calls for a panting TeeWee news spot from ABC? Build a Saturn that has room to stow a purse in the front passenger compartment, and nobody notices. Make a SIG small enough to fit in that purse, and shoulders get dislocated in newsrooms across America as folks reach for dusty tomes by Freud. Weird.


“If it hadn’t been for him (the armed customer), there’s no telling what would have happened.”

I guess robbing a Tulsa grocery store wasn’t such a bright idea. Not when the customers can carry concealed weapons:

Man shot during store robbery
By SHAUN EPPERSON World Staff Writer

Police say a customer with a concealed-pistol permit shot one of two armed men holding up a Tulsa grocery.

A man was shot Saturday evening as he and another man attempted to rob a Homeland store near 91st Street and Memorial Drive, police reported.

Two men in dark clothing approached a register around 7:15 p.m and demanded money from employees as one of the men brandished a semi-automatic pistol, Capt. Brett Bailey said.

Shortly afterward, a customer in line nearby pulled out a revolver and shot the man holding the pistol, Bailey said.

Police think the customer fired one shot at the robber, he said.

Although police don’t know where the gunman was wounded, they know that he was hit, Bailey said.

“There was blood on the floor,” he said. “He definitely was hit.”

The two bandits then ran into the parking lot and fled in a white four-door sedan, Bailey said.

The vehicle possibly was an older model Oldsmobile, police said.

Police do not know whether the men got any money from the store, they said.

Officers locked down the store and asked everyone inside to give a statement about what they saw, Bailey said.

Police said the customer who shot the robber had a license to carry a concealed pistol.

Several bystanders were in the store, but no one else was injured, police said.

A Homeland employee, Linda Lewis, said she was sacking groceries when she saw two men wearing hoods trying to push their way into a gated area of the store to an office where a safe was located.

“I turned around and saw these guys come in with hoods over their faces,” she said.

She lay down on the floor, she said, because she “knew something was going to happen.”

Next, she said, she heard gunfire and feared that an employee had been shot.

“I heard two shots, and I didn’t know if a customer or a robber was shot,” she said. “I thought we’d be next.”

Lewis said she was “scared half to death,” adding that she was thankful that no cus tomers or employees had been shot.

“If it hadn’t been for him (the armed customer), there’s no telling what would have happened,” she said.

Police were searching for two men in connection with the robbery Saturday.


2 Percent Of Oklahomans Have A Permit To Carry A Concealed Weapon

49,221 people in Oklahoma have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, which is less than 2 percent of the population. One of those is a 75 year old retired man who shot a robbery suspect this weekend inside a Tulsa grocery store.

News on 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright takes a look at the law.

Tulsa Police say two men confronted a store employee at a Homeland grocery store near 91st and South Memorial on Saturday and demanded money at gunpoint.

A 75-year-old man, who was standing in the checkout line, legally had a revolver hidden inside his pocket. He pulled it out and shot at the robbers. Tulsa Police Sgt Mike Huff: “Fired a couple of shots. One hit one of the suspects in the mid-torso area. We feel he is seriously injured.”

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation says 7,622 people in Tulsa County have a permit to carry a concealed weapon anywhere except into government buildings, schools, universities, jails, places that sell beer, places where there’s betting, professional sporting events or any other business that forbids it. Violating that part of the law will cost you a $250 fine and you’ll have your permit suspended for three months.

The News on 6 could not find a posting at the 91st and Memorial Homeland store, prohibiting firearms.

Tulsa Police say deciding to shoot isn’t simple, even when it’s legal. Sgt Mike Huff: “We always have to think about our backdrop, what we’re shooting at, if we miss it, what will we hit and if there’s a gun battle, if they miss us, what are they going to hit. It sounds simple but in a split second, it’s a big decision to engage someone in deadly force.”

What police officers can’t publicly say is most of them secretly applaud citizens who defend their own lives or the lives or others. Sgt Mike Huff: “The bad guys with guns are shooting at people and they have no rules to follow. They obviously disregard the laws. The good, hard-working people are the ones who are following the rules. Over the years, they’ve acted very responsibly.” (Halleluja!)

58 concealed permits are currently under suspension, the state revoked 18 of them last year. (That’s less than 0.12% under suspension, less than 0.04% revoked.)

Tulsa Police say this weekend’s shooting appears to right in line with the law and folkswith Homeland told us they have no comment.

Tulsa Police say if the robbery suspect doesn’t get medical treatment soon, he could die, in fact, they wonder if he might already be dead.

Sweet bleeding Jeebus, GOOD PRESS! (You did note, I hope, that the TV station checked to see if the grocery store was posted against concealed-carry. Like the cops hadn’t done that already.) Here are a couple of shots of the wounded bad-guy:

It’s reported that the shooter used a .357 Magnum revolver. Looks like it was pretty effective.

And what is it with elderly guys intervening? This reminds me a lot of 72 year-old Due Moore who intervened in an assault occurring in a New Mexico WalMart last August. I fully expect the GFW to wail and gnash their teeth over this shooting just as they did after Mr. Moore saved Ms. Joyce Cordova’s life. Screw ’em. Regardless of the repeated “let the professionals handle it” mantra we normally get from the press, the rank-and-file cops on the beat know that citizens who defend themselves are a net asset. It’s only for political reasons that cops “can’t publicly say” that. Kudos to Sgt. Huff, who will probably catch a lot of flak for saying it on record.

As for the shooter, good on you, sir! There’s no telling what would have happened had you not fired, but chances are really good that at least one of those scumbags will never try to rob anyone again.

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Please, Hold Your Breath, Sharon.

Radio personality Laura Ingraham wrote a book, Shut up and Sing: How Elites from Hollywood, Politics, and the U. N. Are Subverting America. The title is pretty much self-explanatory. Perhaps, given the recent bloviations from Hollywood, she should have named it “Shut Up and Act.”

Breitbart reports today:

Peace just a breath away, says Sharon Stone

A peaceful co-existence between the peoples of the Middle East is but a breath away, Hollywood star Sharon Stone said after a highly publicized visit to Israel.

“It feels to me that we have an opportunity … to choose understanding in a new way,” she told a press conference in Paris when asked about her trip.

“And it really is just a breath. It’s just an agreement that’s just a breath. We are not far apart. We can choose to have this alternative kind of growth that is a collective nuance of understanding.

“We are just that breath away from a peaceful co-existence,” she added after her visit to Israel as a guest of the Peres Center for Peace, a foundation run by Nobel laureate and former Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres.

Stone, 48, who visited several projects aimed at promoting peace, including a kindergarten for Israeli and Palestinian children in Jaffa, was also photographed praying at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, the holiest Jewish shrine.

Doesn’t that just give you the warm-and-fuzzies? “Just a breath…”

The puff-piece goes on:

Stone, who is also an ardent champion of women’s rights, was in Paris ahead of the release of her latest film “Basic Instinct II”.

She told journalists that she was delighted that women were stepping up to take their place in the world, taking on new jobs to which they brought something unique, “their feminine instinct.”

“This is a new and very exciting time for women, because women by their very nature are creative and not destructive. And this is an extraordinary and important thing that we can bring into a world that awaits the opportunity for peace.”

I guess Ms. Stone is in denial about the volume of angry breathers out there who would happily rape her for going around without covering her head, much less stone her to death for the acts she simulates in “Basic Instinct II.” (Video absolutely, positively NOT safe for work. Broadband recommended.) There is, I suppose, a kind of peace in death, where the breath she waxes poetic about is one’s last.

Why does the media give these people attention?

This Looks Like an Interesting Storyline.

The next few strips promise to be interesting.

And I was right. Here’s Tuesday’s strip:

I’m with Zed. Endlessly fascinating!

Wednesday does not disappoint:

Hmm…. Wet T-shirt shooting competitions… Well, we are trying to recruit new shooters!

Thursday’s strip.

Yes. Yes, we do.


Yes, this is why you don’t wear a shirt with a loose (or a low) collar at the range!

And this is a GREAT country!

UPDATE: Denise of The Ten Ring is apparently responsible for Friday’s inspired cartoon! Too cool!

Saturday: I was hoping for a continuation of the “hot brass” theme, but…

I can just SEE Jan’s “But nobody needs a .50″ thoughtfeel-waves radiating from her skull.

Muir does big multi-panel strips on Sundays. I wait with bated breath.


Yes, some of them are. Why that tends to surprise other Democrats, I don’t know. It is a right that unites… Well, a lot of us.

Zed is “black ops” military? This WILL be interesting!

S&W Quality Control?.

This is making the rounds of the message boards:

N.C. wants Smith & Wesson to replace faulty revolvers

Faced with problems ranging from misfires to barrels breaking off, the state has asked gun maker Smith & Wesson to replace hundreds of sidearms carried by probation and corrections officers.

None of the revolvers have failed in the line of duty, and for now, the department is keeping the guns in service. But in testing, about one in four revolvers didn’t fire when the trigger was pulled. In some cases, the barrel of some models broke off when the gun was fired.

“In one sense it’s funny,” said Chief Deputy Correction Secretary Dan Stieneke. “In another, it’s alarming.”

So far, the state Correction Department has asked the Massachusetts-based gun maker to replace only 500 Model 64 revolvers bought in 2004, though there have also been problems with two other models. But officials could wind up asking Smith & Wesson to provide replacements for all 5,000 of the department’s revolvers.

At a meeting last month at a shooting range in Smithfield, Smith & Wesson representative got a live demonstration of the problems. During test firing of about three dozen revolvers, four misfired, meaning nothing happened when the trigger was pulled. The barrel also broke off a different model when it was fired, something that has happened 14 times in practice firings since 2003.

“On the one hand, statistically (the revolvers’ performance) is not bad, but it’s just the safety issue,” Stieneke said. “That kind of failure gets people’s attention.”

Officials at Springfield, Mass.-based Smith & Wesson, one of the world’s largest gun makers, did not return repeated calls seeking comment.

For at least two decades, state prison officials have used Smith & Wesson revolvers. They are assigned to probation officers and correction officers who work outside of prison walls, patrolling perimeters and escorting inmates. The guns are not carried by officers who work inside prisons, where there is too great a risk of inmates getting a gun.

The guns cost about $320 each, meaning it would cost the state more than $1.5 million to replace them all. That doesn’t include the cost of buying new ammunition, holsters and other accessories, plus retraining officers to use a new model of gun.

“We’re at a point where if we have to make a quick switch, it’s going to cost millions of dollars, and it’s going to take a lot of training and effort to get back up to speed,” Stieneke said.

Many law enforcement agencies have moved away from revolvers in recent years, switching to semiautomatic pistols, something Stieneke is considering.

Here’s a picture of a couple of failures:

Just DAMN! (Edited to add: These guns are from a rental range, not the NC Dept. of corrections, so the problem apparently goes beyond a single contract run.)

Most people who like revolvers like them because they’re about the simplest, most reliable mechanism out there – the original “point and click” interface. This does not say good things about S&W’s new management. (Can’t apparently blame it on those Limey pooftahs who bent over for Clinton. Just had to get that jibe in!)

Further reading available at, GlockTalk, and the Smith & Wesson Forum

The Power of the Blogosphere

(h/t Instapundit)

Spread this around far and wide. The internet has a flawless memory, even when the intelligentsia and the old gatekeepers try to distort reality. From OpinionJournal:

The Bend of History

“President Bush sketched an expansive vision last night of what he expects to accomplish by a war in Iraq. Instead of focusing on eliminating weapons of mass destruction, or reducing the threat of terror to the United States, Mr. Bush talked about establishing a ‘free and peaceful Iraq’ that would serve as a ‘dramatic and inspiring example’ to the entire Arab and Muslim world, provide a stabilizing influence in the Middle East and even help end the Arab-Israeli conflict.”–editorial, New York Times, Feb. 27, 2003
“One prominent neoconservative, Francis Fukuyama, asserts in a new book that the administration embraced democracy as a cornerstone of its policy only after the failure to find unconventional weapons in Iraq. The issue was seized upon to justify the war in retrospect, and then expanded for other countries, he says.”–New York Times, March 17, 2006

Editor? What’s an editor?

Picking at the Scab

Quote of the week, from Eric S. Raymond:

The trouble with ‘tolerance’ is that it only works as a cultural compact when all parties are civilized and have in practice largely agreed to abandon the more inconvenient claims of the religions they theoretically profess.

(The title is from a comment I left at a post over at Eternity Road.) (Link broken. – Ed.) Discuss.

Update, 3/18/06: Fran Porretto comments (Link broken. – Ed.) on Eric S. Raymond’s post, but misidentifies which portion I quoted “with approval.”

Apparently he’s still upset with me.

One more update. Og the Neanderpundit links approvingly to Fran’s post, and comments:

We’re not talking about the things so called christians have done in the past, and I will brook no discussion on that subject.

But we have to discuss that subject, because no one’s proven to me that such things can’t happen again:

When news of this holocaust of French Protestants reached the world, Catherine de’Medici received the congratulations of all the Catholic powers, and Pope Gregory XIII ordered bonfires lighted and the singing of the Te Deum. Indeed, the Pope’s joy was so great that he commanded a gold medal to be minted, with the inscription, “Slaughter [strages] of the Huguenots.” He then had Giorgio Vasari paint pictures in the Vatican of “the glorious triumph over a perfidious race.”

I suppose Catherine de’Medici and Pope Gregory XIII were “so-called” Christians? Sarah claims that Protestant Christianity is the answer. Perhaps it is, but some of the Protestant sects seem quite content in quoting the Old Testament and holding it up for reverence. The Ten Commandments, for example, which is a rallying point for a lot of American Christians, is from the Book of Exodus. Fran states:

The Book of Deuteronomy is Old Testament, and has no relevance to the Christian New Covenant; the same applies to the bloody commands of the Book of Leviticus.

Are the Ten Commandments still valid, then? A lot of people seem to believe they are. Or is this just another example of where civilized parties have “largely agreed to abandon the more inconvenient claims of the religions they theoretically profess?”

I’ve made the point that I’m not a biblical scholar, but I’d wager the majority of people who are “so-called christians” aren’t either, and never have been.

UPDATE:  As of August 6, 2013, due to the herculean efforts of reader John Hardin, the original (rather long) JS-Kit/Echo comment thread for this post (read-only) is available here.