15 Questions for Atheists

I just saw this over at the Nerd’s place, and instead of reading LabRat’s responses, I thought “I’d better do the same thing and hit these questions fresh.”  I recently received a quite complimentary email from a new reader who is unabashedly Christian, and seemed to assume I was as well.  I don’t know what it says about me that I didn’t dissuade that belief with an immediate response, but I didn’t.  So, here we go:

1. Why are atheists so obsessed with religion?

If life were meaningless and ends at the grave, why even bother. If life is just a monopoly game that’s going to be put up, why even try to take the property and money of others (in a metaphoric sense, of course)? It doesn’t make much sense. Given atheism, nothing really matters since it’s not going to last. So, again I ask you, why bother with religion and its negative effects?

Well, I don’t. This question is directed at those I term anti-theists, or “Big-A” Atheists like Dawkins and Bill Maher. The only time that I ever concern myself with religion is when someone is trying to force theirs upon me.

2. Why are atheists so obsessed with monotheistic religions?

Why only the big three? If all religions are equally false, why only bother with Christianity, Judaism, and Islam? What about Hinduism or deism? Again, it doesn’t make much sense. Perhaps there’s a reason that atheists are so amazingly obsessed with Christianity?

Again, see the answer to Question 1. Personally, one of the reasons I’m an atheist is that I cannot grok, given the myriad of gods from which to choose, how anyone can be so convinced that the dominant god of their culture must be the “one true God.” But that’s just me.

3. How do atheists explain the beginning of the universe?

Often atheists have pointed to the Big Bang to justify their worldview, but the Big Bang actually proves theism. Here’s a simple syllogism:

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause
2. The universe began to exist
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.

There is great evidence for the Big Bang. We can be led to it by first stating this fact: The universe is either eternal, or it is not. If it’s not, than my argument is scientifically supported. The universe cannot be eternal because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states that energy is running out. If the universe is eternal, it should’ve run out a long time ago. The Big Bang proves God because it proves the universe came into being from nothing, and nothing cannot create nothing, for it is nothing. Therefore, Something must have caused the Big Bang. So how do you explain away this evidence for the existence of God?

How do I explain the beginning of the universe? I don’t. THAT it happened, I don’t doubt. HOW it happened I don’t know. Why cannot the religious be comfortable with not knowing? Let’s look at that syllogism. OK, the universe was “created” by something, and that “something” was, ipso facto, “God?”

Where did God come from? And if the Creator of the Universe is God, why is He the God of Abraham? Isn’t that quite the logical leap?

Here’s an image by a somewhat more militant Atheist than I that expresses (poorly and unfortunately offensively, but generally accurately) my problem here:


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So you accept the Big Bang, but all of it was just to create Earth? That doesn’t strike you as just a bit hubristic?


4. How do atheists explain away objective moral values?

Objective moral values are ones that are independent of human thought. If God doesn’t exist, they wouldn’t exist either. There’d be no one in charge to make a universal standard of right and wrong. It’d simply be a matter or opinion. But moral relativism fails. For one, it says that moral claims are only a matter of opinion but it asserts that as a fact. Also, we know things such as rape, murder, and child abuse are wrong, and if everyone agreed that they were right, they’d still be wrong. We know things are objectively wrong because we feel guilt when we do what is wrong; If morality was just our opinion, we wouldn’t feel guilty, for we would be doing what is right for us. So how do atheists justify the fact of objective morality?

“Objective moral values are ones that are independent of human thought.” BZZZZT! Oh, I’m so sorry! That’s a non sequitur. Morals are HUMAN VALUES. They CANNOT EXIST outside of human thought, unless they belong to non-human sapients. I’ve covered part of this discussion before. I don’t have to “explain away objective moral values.” I remain unconvinced of their existence. Those seemingly universal ones are the result of experience through the relatively short history of humanity, and even those aren’t truly universal.


5. How do materialists justify immaterial realities?

Logic, math, morality, and other things such as free will, human dignity, and time exist. These things are all immaterial. We can’t put the number 7 or the Law of Noncontradiction in a test tube. But if God doesn’t exist, matter would be all there is, since there’d be nothing to be the foundation of immaterial things. Everything would come through by matter, and thus, be matter. How can atheists give an answer to this argument?

I don’t grok the question. I do not grasp the (or the need for) the indivisibilty of the immaterial and the ecclesiastical. Logic, math, morality and other things such as free will and human dignity are human. Are you saying “Thou art God”?

Time? Time exists whether we do or not. This is a deeply odd question.


6. How do atheists explain the existence of the universe?

If atheism is true, there isn’t a reason for anything. It’s all an accident. There isn’t any purpose. But if there weren’t a purpose for anything, how do things exist? If God does not exist, the universe would have no meaning for its existence, and would, thus, not exist. So how can we living in a universe that both exists and has no reason for its existence?

This is a rewording of question #3. My answer remains the same: I don’t try to. I accept the fact that it IS, and that it’s AWESOME, and I hope some day to sail among its stars.


7. How do you explain away circumstantial evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus?

Here are just two facts that help lead up to the conclusion that Christ is risen: 1. The early Christians died for their belief that He rose from the dead. You don’t die for what you know is a lie. No one does, and no one ever could. 2. Christianity started in Jerusalem. If the tomb weren’t empty, the Jewish pharisees could’ve proved it and ended the Christian movement. But they didn’t. How can an atheistic worldview explain this?

And atheists are obsessive about Christianity? We go from “Where’d the Universe come from” to “But what about the resurrection of Christ”? That’s quite a leap.

No offense, but let me comment here: “The early Christians died for their belief that He rose from the dead. You don’t die for what you know is a lie.” How many devout Muslims have strapped on explosives and gone to their 72 Virgins in the sincere belief that “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger”? Belief in something is no guarantee that belief is true. “If the tomb weren’t empty, the Jewish pharisees could’ve proved it and ended the Christian movement. But they didn’t. How can an atheistic worldview explain this?” I don’t have to. I don’t know what happened to the body. The Mormons said Jesus came to North America after the Resurrection. Are they wrong? Can you prove it? This seems to me another version of “How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?”.


8. If the gospels are just pieces of historical fiction, why are there embarrassing details in there?

Jesus being accused of being a demon. A prostitute wiping Jesus’ feet, which was seen as a sexual approach. Peter being called “Satan” and denying Jesus three times. Jews being told to pay taxes to the Roman empire. One criteria of finding a historical truth is to see if the text is embarrassing to the writer. If it is, they probably didn’t make it up. Could you clear this up for me?

Nope. Didn’t realize that was a requirement. What about all of the scrolls that didn’t make it into the final edition? Can you explain to me what was left out and why?


9. If we are just matter, and not souls, why would some atheists support life-sentences?

The matter in our body is totally changed out every seven years. If Cartesian dualism—a view I embrace—is false, and we are just matter, that means I am not the same person as I was seven years ago. And this is also true for a criminal.The justice system is completely futile if atheism is true. If matter is who we are, why don’t we change as our matter changes?

It so happens that I agree with you on the topic of Cartesian dualism (and cannot prove it either), but that doesn’t mean I’m automatically a Christian, or even religious. However, short of traumatic brain injury, we remain the people we are because of the way our brains are wired, not due to the specific wiring components. And, realistically, the “me” of today is not the “me” of fifteen years ago, but what I did fifteen years ago, I did, and not some other “me.”

Personally, I think life without parole is a particularly cruel sentence, but given the fact that it takes decades sometimes to get someone through the appeals process, it can be less expensive to just house and feed them till they die a natural death.  And hey, the system has been wrong before.  Death is irreversible.  You can get out of prison if you’re not dead.


10. Why do so many atheists deny historical facts?

The common view today that most atheists hold is that Jesus didn’t exist. But Jesus did exist. How do I know this? Historically reliable sources such as Josephus, Tacitus, Lucian, the Jewish Talmud, and Pliny the Younger wrote about Jesus. So why do atheists hold to the Christ-myth hypothesis in spite of what we know through historical facts?

Don’t know. Why do so many people deny that Mohammed was God’s messenger? Doesn’t fit their worldview. Personally, I find it highly doubtful that Jesus didn’t exist. I just question his divinity.


11. Why do most atheists, such as Richard Dawkins and Daniel Denette, equivocate evolution with atheism?

Evolution does not prove God exists, nor does it prove God doesn’t exist. Darwin did not kill God. Most Christians accept evolution. Why, then, do so many atheists point to evolution as if it disproves Christianity?

I don’t believe “equivocate” was the word you wanted to use there. “Equate” was. Freudian slip?

Why do so many Christians insist that evolution is a tool of Satan? That’s always flipped me out.

Evolution says precisely nothing about the origin of life, it just explains the mechanism of speciation. If you’re good with it, so am I.


12. Why don’t atheists actually question everything?

They’re always advocating skepticism, but fail to question their own views, including that of skepticism. If we should doubt everything, why not doubt atheism?

Those weak sisters are called “agnostics.”

Just kidding.

Doubting atheism does not equate to faith. I’ve done this before, but here are two statements:

I believe there is no God.
I do not believe there is a God.

See the difference? One is an active belief. The other is not. One is an act of faith, the other is skepticism.


13. Where do rights come from?

Most atheists are supporters of the gay rights movement, and are furious when someone denies a homosexual of his or her rights just because of their sexual orientation. So it’s pretty clear that atheists believe inalienable rights exist. But where do they come from? How can they be explained naturally?

Oh, Jesus. (No pun intended.) See the left sidebar over there under “the ‘Rights’ Discussion.” I’ve written probably a hundred thousand words on the topic, and I’m not reproducing them here.

14. How can there be no objective evil, but religion causes it?

A top argument in the atheist arsenal is that religion causes evil. This doesn’t prove a thing, for Pythagoras caused evil but no one doubts that a2 + b2 = c2. But when atheists argue against religion by pointing out its sins, they assume that objective morality exists. If morality were a matter of opinion, there’d be no point in asserting it as a fact. So why do atheists use religious evil to try to disprove theism, when it actually does the opposite?

Because a lot of atheists are assholes? And a lot of ostensibly Christian people are hypocrites? Can you, for instance explain “Thou Shall Not Kill” and “Kill them all, God will know his own”?

A lot of the problem that big-“A” Atheists have with the religious is the amount of slaughter done in the name of some deity, but as one of my readers has pointed out, Atheists have done some major slaughter of their own, once they got their hands on the levers of power. They haven’t had as long a history at it, but they’ve slugged at way over their weight in the short time they have had.


15. Why are there no good reasons to believe atheism is true?

Whenever I ask an atheist to disprove God, they can’t do it. When something is true, there are good reasons to think it is true. But there are no good reasons to believe God does not exist. So why do non-believers count me as irrational when I embrace theism?

Because belief without evidence is, by definition irrational. OK, you’ve convinced yourself that you’ve come to Christianity rationally. You are not alone. But faith is only faith if you can believe no matter what. Faith says “nothing can shake my belief.” This requires irrationality. Bear in mind, this is not a judgmental word, merely descriptive.

I am an atheist because I cannot bring myself to believe, and I won’t fake it.

Quote of the Day – Andrew Klavan Edition

But in order to tell you that, first I need to tell you this.

From a comment to my post How We “Lost the Culture War” by our very own Markadelphia:

This is why I am a Democrat and not a Republican. Democrats aren’t perfect and they do fail at times but at least they stand for something. They wanted to lower poverty in the elderly so they passed Social Security. Poverty in the elderly was above 50 percent when SS passed and now it is under 10 percent. The Democrats wanted a national Civil Rights Act because of abuses to minorities in the South. They passed it and look where we are today as a result. In short, they produce.

Got that?

Good.

Now, Andrew Klavan from How Ben Afflek’s Argo Screws with History:

The imagination is the only nation where Democrats get it right. We need to conquer that country.

On the Lighter Side…

Via email:

The coach had put together the perfect team for the Chicago Bears. The only thing that was missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all the colleges and even the Canadian and European Leagues, but he couldn’t find a ringer who could ensure a Super Bowl win.

Then one night while watching CNN he saw a war-zone scene in Afghanistan. In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Afghan soldier with a truly incredible arm. He threw a hand-grenade straight into a 15th story window 100 yards away!

KABOOM!

He threw another hand-grenade 75 yards, arcing it right into a chimney!

KA-BLOOEY!

Then he threw another into the driver’s window of a passing car going 90 mph!

BULLS-EYE!

“I’ve got to get this guy!” Coach said to himself. “He has the perfect arm!”

So, he hires an investigator to find out who this phenomenal arm belongs to, brings the man to the States and teaches him the great game of football. And the Bears go on to win the Super Bowl.

The young Afghan is hailed as the great hero of football, and when the coach asks him what he wants, all the young man wants is to call his mother.

“Mom,” he says into the phone, “I just won the Super Bowl!”

“I don’t want to talk to you, the old woman says.”You are not my son!”

“I don’t think you understand, Mother,” the young man pleads. “I’ve won the greatest sporting event in the world. I’m here among thousands of my adoring fans.”

“No! Let me tell you!” his mother retorts. “At this very moment, there are gunshots all around us. The neighborhood is a pile of rubble. Your two brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and I have to keep your sister in the house so she doesn’t get raped!” The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says,

“I will never forgive you for making us move to Chicago!!!!

Hey, it could have been Detroit.

Quote of the Day – Geekwitha.45 Edition

I’m getting old.  I thought I’d done this already, but I screwed up the Autopost setting.  From a comment to How We Lost the Culture War:

Liberty always implodes on its own internal contradiction: Freedom means you have to let the other guy choose his own values…and where liberty gets wrapped around the axle is that it supports the other guy’s liberty killing choices as vigorously as any other set of values. We are loathe to actually collect the minimum ante necessary to play the liberty game, and the thought of defenestrating those who don’t pay up strikes us as abhorent.

Consequently, we get played like fiddles.

Can I get an “AMEN!”?

The Tonka™ is Gone

I took it back today. I have to say, the dealership made the return completely painless. On Saturday I put a stereo in the truck. I told them when I reported that I was bringing it back that they could keep the stereo, and I’d write that cost off to “learning experience.” When I arrived I was asked if I had the receipt for the stereo. I did. A minute later, I received a check for the full purchase price of the truck, and another check for the full purchase (and install) price of the stereo.

I also received a $50 gift card to Target to compensate me for the cost of the tank of fuel I put in it.

I’m still in the market for a truck. This dealership is still high on my list for that truck. They certainly could not have done anything more to earn my business.

Bowling Pin Match – Sunday, Dec. 9

The December Bowling Pin match is Sunday the 9th.  Usual place, the Tucson Rifle Club action range. 

Time: 8:00 AM sign-up, first rounds downrange about 8:20. We should be done around 11.  Weather should be beautiful.

Handguns only: .22 rimfire, centerfire revolver (.38 Special minimum), semi-autos (.380 minimum).

You’re welcome to shoot your revolver against the semi-auto crowd, but we think it’s more fun to shoot wheelgun-v-wheelgun.

Cost: $10 for the first gun, $5 for any additional guns. Bring about 100 rounds for each. You probably won’t need ’em all unless you’re really good at missing fast.

What’s a bowling pin match? This:

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Hope to see you there!

14-Hour Workday

Six-and-a-half of it in my truck – 400 miles again.  Pulled out of the driveway at 0410, got to the job site at 0730, left the job site at 1300, got to the Phoenix office at 1630, left the office at 1720, got to the hotel at 1750.  Have a class to teach tomorrow, so I need to be in the office at O’dark-hundred to actually put together a lesson plan and presentation.  I was supposed to do that today, but got pulled off to go to (jobsite) to look at a problem with a piece of equipment.  Problem still not solved.

Sleepy.  No more blog for you.

No More Tonka™ Toy

Dammit.

I’m taking the Earthfucker back.

An emailed comment warned “Watch out for that 6.0 diesel. Ask me how I know.”

Took it to a diesel specialist for a checkout and a baseline maintenance. They had it overnight, and when they fired it up this morning to pull it into a bay to begin work, it threw codes for FOUR bad injectors and a bad glow plug.

Sorry, but I’m not dropping $1,600 in repairs on a freshly purchased vehicle. The dealer has acknowledged they’ll take it back and refund my money.

Dammit, dammit, dammit. Guess I’ll keep looking for a good older truck with a 7.3L.

What a Difference Five Years Makes

Five years ago, Kansas City Star sportswriter Jason Whitlock wrote an op-ed on the topic of violent crime among black males after Washington Redskin Sean Taylor was killed by an armed burglar.  His death was due to a gunshot wound to his femoral artery.

At the time, Whitlock wrote:

Someone who loved Sean Taylor is crying right now. The life they knew has been destroyed, an 18-month-old baby lost her father, and, if you’re a black man living in America, you’ve been reminded once again that your life is in constant jeopardy of violent death.

The Black KKK claimed another victim, a high-profile professional football player with a checkered past this time.

No, we don’t know for certain the circumstances surrounding Taylor’s death. I could very well be proven wrong for engaging in this sort of aggressive speculation. But it’s no different than if you saw a fat man fall to the ground clutching his chest. You’d assume a heart attack, and you’d know, no matter the cause, the man needed to lose weight.

Well, when shots are fired and a black man hits the pavement, there’s every statistical reason to believe another black man pulled the trigger. That’s not some negative, unfair stereotype. It’s a reality we’ve been living with, tolerating and rationalizing for far too long.

Well, after Kansas City Chief’s player Jovan Belcher’s murder/suicide, Whitlock is still peddling “aggresive speculation” and blaming a “KKK,” but his target has shifted a bit:

Sports gets so much attention, and people tune out the real world, that I try to take advantage of the opportunity to talk about the real world when sports lends itself to that and try to open people’s eyes. You know, I did not go as far as I’d like to go because my thoughts on the NRA and America’s gun culture – I believe the NRA is the new KKK. And that the arming of so many black youths, uh, and loading up our community with drugs, and then just having an open shooting gallery, is the work of people who obviously don’t have our best interests [at heart].

I think it’s obvious if you’ve traveled abroad, and traveled to countries where they have legitimate gun laws, that we don’t have to have what we have in America, where people somehow think a gun enhances their liberty, and that people somehow think a gun makes them safer. It just doesn’t. A gun turns some kids listening to music into a murder scene. And uh, you know, if you don’t have a gun, you drive home. You know, kids listening to some loud music, you don’t like it, you go home and complain to your wife. But when you have a gun, you open fire, potentially, and take the life of a child.

So, it’s no longer the black KKK, but the NRA KKK that’s at fault for, well, black men killing black men (and women.)  It’s no longer the “black KKK” (aka: the gang culture) that turns “kids listening to music into a murder scene,” it’s the NRA’s culture!  You see, black men don’t die of murder at six times the rate of any other group in America because their culture tells them that getting “dissed” is a capital offense, oh no!  It’s because they’re unable to overcome the evil brain-melting rays that guns produce!

Must be a genetic thing, no?  So we need to disarm Billy Bob and Cletus so that a Jovan won’t kill his girlfriend and then himself.  But what about Alexandria?

Sounds like rationalization to me. But what do I know. I’m just some cracker….

(h/t: SayUncle)

They Don’t Control Their Monster

One thing that constantly bemuses the gun-rights supporter is why gun-control supporters fear good people possessing the means to defend themselves.

I submit, it’s largely because they don’t trust themselves.  They do not know and definitely do not control their inner monsters.  And they don’t think other people can do it, either.

Unless those people have been sprinkled with the magic fairy dust of government authority.